Is it possible for believers to have “More” of God?
Or is it just a tradition of man, a false doctrine that we haven’t bothered to check it against the Word?
Alot of songs/prayers are like:
*More love, more power, more of You in my life…
*I want more of you God…
*There must be more than this…
*O God, please have more of me…
*God gets bigger and bigger…
*I’m hungry for You…
*What does this mean to you, and what do you think is the answer?
Can God be more or less? Can He get bigger or smaller?
Can Jesus have “more of God”? since Jesus is our life, our example, if He can’t have more of God, then nor can we.
Is this biblical?
Are there examples of this in the bible? Specifically in the New testament?
*Bible search for phrase, “more of God” returned “0″
What about, John 3:30 “He must become more important while I become less important.”
*John was a forerunner to prepare the way for Jesus the Messiah, and now that Jesus has come, its time His job is done and its time for Him to get out of the way. People are to follow Jesus, not John. John was not the Messiah- the Bridegroom, but only a friend of the Bridegroom.
*BBC: The entire object of John’s ministry is summarised in this verse. He laboured ceaselessly to point men and women to the Lord, and to make them realise His true worth. In doing this, John realised that he must keep himself in the background. For a servant of Christ to seek to attract attention to himself is really a form of disloyalty.
*What about Psalm 42 “As the deer pants for the water, so my soul thirsts for you”.
This was before Jesus died on the Cross. It is in the Old Covenant
Before you are saved, you are hungry and thirsty; now that you are saved, you are no longer hungry and thirsty. You are satiasfied.
Believers can live in a state of “continually being satiasfied” without doing anthing to achieve or maintain it.
It’s like eating your favorite food. Even after you are full, you still want to keep on eating because you like the food. It’s like this with God.
We come to God and eat from Him, not because we are starving or hungry spiritually, but because we love spending time with Him and reading His Word!!
*John 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. The one who comes to me will never go hungry, and the one who believes in me will never be thirsty.
-Greek: tn Grk “the one who believes in me will not possibly thirst, ever.”
-Illustration of a bad father: you see these children on the streets begging for food, its a sign that they have a bad father who don’t care for them
-God invites us to “Taste and see that the Lord is good” Psalm 34:8
-He “fills the hungry with good things.” Luke 1:53
BBC-Now Jesus stated the truth simply and clearly. He is the bread of life. Those who come to Him find enough in Him to satisfy their spiritual hunger forever. Those who believe on Him find their thirst forever quenched. Notice the words I AM in this verse and recognise that the Lord was making a claim to equality with Jehovah.
*John 7:37-39
In Ephesians 1:15-23, Paul didn’t pray for believers to get “more” of God, but rather “more” revelation that they already have ‘all of God’.
Or is this a man made tradition that nullifies the power of God’s Word?
*Mark 7:6-9 He said to them, “Isaiah prophesied correctly about you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honours me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. They worship me in vain, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men.’ Having no regard for the command of God, you hold fast to human tradition.” He also said to them, “You neatly reject the commandment of God in order to set up your tradition.
*Colossians 2:8-10, 20-23 Be careful not to allow anyone to captivate you through an empty, deceitful philosophy that is according to human traditions and the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form, and you have been filled in him, who is the head over every ruler and authority. If you have died with Christ to the elemental spirits of the world, why do you submit to them as though you lived in the world? “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!” These are all destined to perish with use, founded as they are on human commands and teachings. Even though they have the appearance of wisdom with their self-imposed worship and false humility achieved by an unsparing treatment of the body – a wisdom with no true value – they in reality result in fleshly indulgence.
The bible says, “We are In Christ”. What does this mean?
*Illustration: you walk into your car, and close the door. Now you say to yourself, “I want more of my car!!”.
-How is this possible? you car is bigger than you? are you bigger than your car?
-Can your car have more of you? If you are inside your car, your car has all of you already, whether you believe it or not its relevant.
-Similarly, you cannot have more of God and God cannot have more of you.
*You are now In Christ and In God
-The reason why Christ is In you, is because you are “In Him”.
-Do you know what is the air you breathe? you are breathing Jesus right now, He is all over you, in and through you. He is the Air that you breathe.
*Illustration: inside a bullet/nuclear proof car that has dark tinted windows.
-Hidden!! no one can see you, all they see is Jesus
-The enemy, demons, stress, worries, lies cannot even see you! if they try to attack you, all they get is Jesus!!
-You are covered, sealed and protected; Christ is The Glory, there is an invisible shield of Glory surrounding you.
Isaiah NASB© 54:17 “No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgement you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their vindication is from Me,” declares the LORD.
*That’s why “there is no never any condemnation/sentencing for those who are In Christ Jesus!!”
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
BBE© 8:1 For this cause those who are in Christ Jesus will not be judged as sinners.
God cannot condemn/sentence Christ again, so since you are In Christ, therefore He can’t condemn/sentence you!! But declare that you are innocent, not guilty, upright, perfect!! You are God’s Beloved forever!!
Definition of God. Deuteronomy 6:4
God: ‘elohiym(0430)
Plural noun
One: “echad”
Composite one, unity
*Summary: There is One God, eternally existent in Three: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit; the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, The Spirit is not the Father Nor the Son; But they are all the One God, One in Spirit/Essence/Substance, One in unity. They have differences in their function, but they are all equal in their essence. The Father is greater than Jesus in Function (in that Jesus has to submit to the Father), but not in Essence/Substance.
*The Trinity is The Mystery, How can the “created-us” understand God, the “Uncreated”? using knowledge from created human beings? not even the greatest German thinkers can figure it out.
Examples of Triune God of Grace in the O.T.
Genesis 19:24
Zechariah 2:8-9
Refer to resources at back of document.
Believers already have All of God
We have God the Holy Spirit living inside our bodies. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father, and the Spirit of the Son. God the Father, God the Son is in Heaven right now but the Holy Spirit is on the earth.
*Acts 7:47-50, 56
*Romans 6:4-11
*2 Cor 5:17
*Ephesians 1:13
*Colossians 1:27; 2:10; 3:3
*Galatians 2:20
The descriptions of God the Holy Spirit are
-River
-Fire
-Wind
Therefore, we can’t have “more” of God
*God is not a ‘commodity’ nor a ‘force; God is not a ‘Thing’, where you can have 80% or 90% of Him, He is A Person. You either have ALL of Him or don’t.
*To have more God, is to mean the God the Holy Spirit is less than God the Son or God the Father.
But God is not confined to our understanding of space, time and physics. So we cannot try to understand God using our human minds.
*We already have all of God living inside our bodies, but He is not confined or locked up inside our bodies; He the Triune God can manifest Himself in different ways at different times as He wishes, inside or outside our bodies, through the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
*But its not about experience or feelings, because He is there even when you don’t feel Him; Just because you don’t feel Him at times, it doesn’t mean that He is not currently working in your life.
*The “manifestations of God” does not determine “how much of God” you have, hence we do not base our lives on experiences and feelings.
*The times when you feel more of Him, that doesn’t mean you have more Him; the times when you feel less of Him, it doesn’t mean you have less of Him. God does different things at different times however He chooses but He is Always Present all the Time, everywhere.
*God is with us all the time, even when we don’t feel Him, because His Presence is not dependant upon whether we feel Him or not. Matthew 28:20; Hebrews 13:5
*I believe it is our inheritance, for our 5 senses to feel God all the time in our lives. To feel the “kisses” of His mouth, His hugs, it’s intimacy with God and reality of Him operating in our lives.
*This is not the Oneness doctrine where they believe the God the Father all of a sudden becomes the Son, then becomes the Holy Spirit, and they transfer between each other.
*Although All of God lives inside our bodies, God is also everywhere in the universe- Omni-present.
-He is everywhere all Present. Psalm 139
-The nations are as nothing before Him. Isaiah 40:12-31
-Who understands God? Job 38:2- 39:30
*His Presence can manifest inside our bodies
-The River of God flowing out of our bodies with fire because His Throne is inside of us
*His Presence can manifest outside our bodies too. E.g.
-Raining in the Spirit
-An open porthole
How do we approach God the Father and God the Son?
-We approach the Father boldly through Jesus (being In Christ) by the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 2:18; 3:12; Hebrews 4:16
-We worship by the Holy Spirit
-We can pray, “Holy Spirit, please bring me to the Father through our Lord Jesus.” 2 Corinthians 13:14
-We are “In Christ”, meaning we share and participate in all the benefits of relationship that Jesus has with the Father
More Examples of the Triune God at work
*Jesus’ baptism
-Luke 3:21-22
-3 distinct persons, but the One God
*Jesus teaching His disciples to pray to the Father, not to Him nor the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 6:9
*God inhabits the praises of His people
Psalm 22:3
NRSV© 22:3 Yet you are holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel.
NASB© 22:3 Yet You are holy, O You who are enthroned upon the praises of Israel.
KJV© 22:3 But thou [art] holy, [O thou] that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
-Acts 4:23-31, after they prayed, they were all full of the Holy Spirit
They prayed to the Father, and the Father answered it by giving the believers a revelation of Who the Holy Spirit is inside of them, then the revelation brought a manifestation, so they felt the fullness of the Holy Spirit
-Acts 16:23-26, Paul and Silas singing in prison
Revelation 8:3-5. Prayers goes up like incense, and God throws it down like lightning and the prison door open
*Grace and peace be multiplied to you from God the Father and our Lord Jesus the Messiah
revelation brings manifestation
More revelation to experience the reality
manifestation comes from what you already have
*When you pray for someone, and God touches them
Is it God from you that has touched them?
If they already have all of God, how can the God in you touch them?
Or is it God in them that has touched them?
What happens within the Triune God?
There is fellowship, love, respect and submission.
So are we to participate in the fellowship with the Triune God of grace, participating in Jesus relationship with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Grace is not an end in itself; it is a means to an End, which to is to unify us with God. It is an invitation to be One, to joined and fellowship with the Triune God of Grace. Grace is the Way God relates to us and we relate to Him. Grace is the means for us to Know God, which is the purpose of eternal life. John 17:3.
What happens to these 2 extremes of people?
*People who just focuses on relationship with God without understanding grace, some will say, “We need to come to God to get more of Him, for God to pour out His Spirit, there is always more.”
Pros:
-They know how to hear God’s Voice
-In a sense, you can have more of God, in that you can get to know Him better in many ways.
Cons:
-They preach and insinuate that we have to ‘do something’ to get more of God, and that God won’t be pleased with us if we don’t’ do more.
-Fall into legalism, striving, self-righteousness
-Can fall into sin as well and find it very hard to get back because of condemnation/unworthiness
-Loss of joy
-Easily fall into Condemnation and guilt
-Hear the voices of accusation as the voice of God
-Become critical and self-righteous, judgemental of other people, proud.
-There is a serious condemnation and legalism problems if people who focus on relationship with God do not have a strong foundation on grace filter through everything they do.
-They only focus on God the Father and God the Son, they forget about God the Holy Spirit Who dwells within them
-They fall into this idea that God has a “perfect will” for their lives, when God has a “plan”, not a tightrope perfect will step by step robotic manual for you to live out.
*People who just focuses on Grace as an means to an end, some of them say, “we already have all of God, we don’t’ need to do anything or come to God. It’s all done.”
Pros:
-Living a life free from condemnation.
-They preach that we are free from laws, rules and performance mentality and that we don’t have a sinful nature anymore but are new creations in Christ. All has been done and we start from the finish line.
Cons:
-Can end up becoming lazy and do nothing for God because they mis-interpret grace.
-Fall into sin because there is no purpose, plan or vision to live for
-Don’t grow very much in their relationship with God, don’t spend much time with God, learning to hear His Voice
-They become spiritual orphans not knowing their heavenly Father very well.
-They only focus on God the Holy Spirit and forget about God the Son and God the Father
-There is an imbalance in the message of grace if its not focused on relating to God
-They don’t come to God the Father and develop their relationship with God, everything is just a legal standing.
Conclusion:
*We cannot have more of God and God cannot have more of us. But the Triune God can manifest Himself in different ways at different times as He wishes, inside our bodies which is His temple, and outside our bodies.
*We cannot have “More” of God, but we can always have “more” experiences of His Manifest Presence in different ways. But our faith should not be based up experience, our faith should be based upon truth that we are already in Union with Him regardless whether we feel anything or not.
*Can you see that, all our attempts to get more of God, by our human efforts, prayer and fasting, is simply foolishness and dung when you realise that God is everywhere and that you already have all of Him inside of you. What God really desires of us is that we walk with Him, fellowship and intimacy.
Resources:
http://www.shema.com/marticles/marticles-011.php
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/2_9/angel
http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs050m.pdf